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now i have to determine what -- based on that information as well as what the cia says, what the truth is. >> stephanie: yeah, because at that time, dick cheney was on television every day saying water boarding worked. >> right. >> stephanie: and people who have read all of this intelligence say this is not true. they said this is a misimpression. so john brennan. >> i never believe it is better to kill a terrorist than to detain them. we want to illicit the intelligence from them. >> stephanie: somebody else was saying that it sounded like he was for killing instead of detaining. and he corrected this. this is the aforementioned code pink hubbub. >> john brennan [ inaudible ]! >> if i might ask -- >> [ inaudible ]! >> i'm going to ask that this room be cleared right now. will the capitol police please come in and clear the room. >> stephanie: that was senator feinstein. >> yeah. >> stephanie: huh? >> hum. >> stephanie: okay. >> it's just interesting, you know. >> stephanie: i had this debate, i was on governor granholm's last show -- [ applause ] >> stephanie: i can't breathe without
now i have to determine what -- based on that information as well as what the cia says, what the truth is. >> stephanie: yeah, because at that time, dick cheney was on television every day saying water boarding worked. >> right. >> stephanie: and people who have read all of this intelligence say this is not true. they said this is a misimpression. so john brennan. >> i never believe it is better to kill a terrorist than to detain them. we want to illicit the intelligence...
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good to share with me how you see the cia and what you think about this militarization of the cia? >> thank you, senator. >> you can disagree with me. >> senator, the principal missions of the agency is to collect intelligence and uncover secrets to prevent strategic surprises. at times, the president asked and directs the cia to do covert action. it could take many forms. as we discussed today on the counterterrorism front, there are things the agency has been involved in since 9/11 that has been a bit of an aberration from its traditional role. i would take a look at that allocation of mission within the cia and the resources dedicated to it. i am concerned that looking at the world, which is a big place, we need to make sure we have the best intelligence collections possibility. the cia should not be doing traditional military activities. >> thank you. i look forward to working on identifying what cia does. pertaining to the issue of the cyber threat, both secretary panetta and general dempsey and several others and we at the white house have talked about the cyber threat. we ar
good to share with me how you see the cia and what you think about this militarization of the cia? >> thank you, senator. >> you can disagree with me. >> senator, the principal missions of the agency is to collect intelligence and uncover secrets to prevent strategic surprises. at times, the president asked and directs the cia to do covert action. it could take many forms. as we discussed today on the counterterrorism front, there are things the agency has been involved in...
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lou: should brennan be confirmed to the cia? >> i give great deference to the president's nominee, have not heard anything that disqualifies other than a hypocrite but that is the currency of this administration. lou: if not the city itself. [laughter] >> as opposed to our fair city. lou: not a matter of comparison that we would hope the nation's capital has a higher standard. >> i am not sure it does. john brennan i think is the president's choice and barring a revelation, revelation, yes, he probably will be confirmed. lou: thank you for being here. we will have much more on the leon panetta / benghazi testimony with a means for the security of the nation throughout the broadcast. >> targeting lawful gun owners and publishing names and addresses. we'll talk with somebody who knows the answer to that question next. more budget battles on capitol hill. where is the lou: in sharp swings in the market today and liz saunders joins us live from charles schwab joins us and says get used to the volatility. and then with the early trad
lou: should brennan be confirmed to the cia? >> i give great deference to the president's nominee, have not heard anything that disqualifies other than a hypocrite but that is the currency of this administration. lou: if not the city itself. [laughter] >> as opposed to our fair city. lou: not a matter of comparison that we would hope the nation's capital has a higher standard. >> i am not sure it does. john brennan i think is the president's choice and barring a revelation,...
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panetta, i feel like i have been jerked around by every cia director. my question to you is: knowing your background, knowing your jesuit education, knowing what i think your values are, kihave your word that you -- can i have your word that you will be very forthcoming with this committee to speak truth to power, to speak truth about power and even when it's uncomfortable, where we have to probe in a way that is not an easy way to go? >> former adviser to the president reagan, pat buchanan is here. do you have problems with the program to use drones to kill americans overseas if they are believed to be associated with al qaeda. >> vinever seen a bigger assort ion of imperial presidency than that. the president is claiming the right for himself and high-rank subordinates to identify what they consider a threat, imminent threat, the right to use a hell-fire missile to kill them, even if they are an american citizen. i have never heard of this before. i don't think it's going to stand. i think the congress of the united states, which has the power over th
panetta, i feel like i have been jerked around by every cia director. my question to you is: knowing your background, knowing your jesuit education, knowing what i think your values are, kihave your word that you -- can i have your word that you will be very forthcoming with this committee to speak truth to power, to speak truth about power and even when it's uncomfortable, where we have to probe in a way that is not an easy way to go? >> former adviser to the president reagan, pat...
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looking at his role inside the cia under george w. bush. thursday he was repeatedly questioned about his views on interrogation and torture. this is carl levin of michigan. >> in your opinion, does waterboarding constitutes torture? >> the attorney general has referred to waterboarding as torture many have referred to as torture. as you well know and we've had this discussion, the term "torture" has a lot of legal implications. it is something that should have been banned long ago. in my view it never should have taken place. if i were go to the cia, it would never be brought back. >> to you have a personal opinion as to whether waterboarding is torture? >> i have the personal opinion that it is reprehensible and should not be done. i'm not a lawyer cannot address that question. >> you have read opinions as to whether or not waterboarding as torture. would you accept those of the attorney general? >> i have read a lot of legal opinions. the previous administration said waterboarding could be used. from the standpoint of that, i cannot point
looking at his role inside the cia under george w. bush. thursday he was repeatedly questioned about his views on interrogation and torture. this is carl levin of michigan. >> in your opinion, does waterboarding constitutes torture? >> the attorney general has referred to waterboarding as torture many have referred to as torture. as you well know and we've had this discussion, the term "torture" has a lot of legal implications. it is something that should have been banned...
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did you support the recommendation by secretary of state clinton and head of cia general betrayers to provide weapons to the resistance in syria? >> we did. >> you supported that. >> we did. >> they give for appearing here today i also want to add my voice to thank you for your long service and we wish you well as you return to your wall the farm and your grandchildren and california i would like to look more broadly at the challenges that we face in africa. wanted knowledge september 11, 2012, you were fighting a war in afghanistan, a counterterrorism issues, the training troops, patrolling skies and providing humanitarian relief. despite that you have clearly taken the deaths of the four state department employees and benghazi to heart. making sure that does not happen again. >> i know you share that point* of view. >> i know we conducted training with african military's, talk about those relationships or ties and specifically shinri expand training missions for other duties state department programs in africom. >> the short answer is yes. >> the threat network is desperate organiza
did you support the recommendation by secretary of state clinton and head of cia general betrayers to provide weapons to the resistance in syria? >> we did. >> you supported that. >> we did. >> they give for appearing here today i also want to add my voice to thank you for your long service and we wish you well as you return to your wall the farm and your grandchildren and california i would like to look more broadly at the challenges that we face in africa. wanted...
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the cia is not immune from the scrutiny of these efforts, and i welcome a discussion of the cia's past and present activities. welcomeselected, i've an investigation of the interrogation techniques. i read the report that raises a number of serious issues. given the gravity and important -- importance of this subject, i look forward to a report on the committee's findings if i am confirmed. in addition, some of our government's counterterrorism policies and operations have sparked widespread debate, domestically, internationally, and in this room. i have publicly acknowledged that our fight against al qaeda and its associated forces have sometimes involved the use of lethal force outside the hotbed battlefield of afghanistan. accordingly, it makes sense that there is interest in the legal basis as well as that threshold, criteria, processes, procedures and reviews of such actions. i have strongly promoted reviews of such actions with the congress and the american people, as i believe our system of government and our commitment to transparency demands nothing less. as the elected repres
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panetta, i feel i've been drug around by every cia dra director. knowing your background and your education, and knowing what i think your values are and can i have your word you're going to be very swift coming to this committee to speak truth power, speak truth about power and even when it's uncomfortable where we're going to have to prove there's not an easy way to go. >> greta: former presidential advisor, do you have any problem with this drone program to kill americans overseas if it's thought that they are somehow associated with al-qaeda, or al-qae. >> i've never seen a better claim of-- the president of the united states is claiming the right not only for himself, but for high ranking subordinates what they consider in another country, the hell fire missile to kill them even if they're an american citizen. i've never heard of that before. i don't think it's going to stand. the congress will have to get in on this and i think a judicial review when you're killing americans abroad deliberately. >> greta: and coming out tomorrow, which of cou
panetta, i feel i've been drug around by every cia dra director. knowing your background and your education, and knowing what i think your values are and can i have your word you're going to be very swift coming to this committee to speak truth power, speak truth about power and even when it's uncomfortable where we're going to have to prove there's not an easy way to go. >> greta: former presidential advisor, do you have any problem with this drone program to kill americans overseas if...
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he's going to be the cia director? >> these are hardly mainstream beliefs sean, hardly someone we would expect of our top intelligence officer, this is a concern and with good reason. >> sean: what do you think, senator reisch? >> a little philosophical with me, i'd actually like to see someone interested in killing terrorists and keep him out of america and out of our way. >> sean: we now have the i guess, the new obama miranda rights, which are you have the right to remain silent anything you can be used against you and oh, obama has a right to kill you. let's look at brennan and water-boarding and where we stand with the new memo on using drones to kill american citizens. let's take a look. >> we all have seen how our fight against terrorists sometimes led us to stray from our ideals as a nation. tactics such as water-boarding were not in keeping with our values as americans. and these practiceses have been rightly terminated and should not and will not happen again. i believe president obama is absolutely correct,
he's going to be the cia director? >> these are hardly mainstream beliefs sean, hardly someone we would expect of our top intelligence officer, this is a concern and with good reason. >> sean: what do you think, senator reisch? >> a little philosophical with me, i'd actually like to see someone interested in killing terrorists and keep him out of america and out of our way. >> sean: we now have the i guess, the new obama miranda rights, which are you have the right to...
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it is a daunting task to go to cia. i want every member of this committee to be defender of the men and women of the cia, and i see it as my obligation to represent them to you on their behalf, so when times get tough and when people are going to be criticizing the cia, i have all of you to say you knew about what the cia were doing, and you will defend them. >> thank you. senator burr? >> i will be brief because i notice you are on your fourth glass of water and i do not want to be accused of waterboarding you. with the exception of our request for the presidential daily briefs around the time of benghazi, which there was executive privilege claim, do you know of any other claim of the state of privilege on the documents that this committee is waiting on now? >> i know there are requests for emails that might have taken place between the intelligence community and the white house, and so there are a number of elements that i think people are looking at. >> but none that executive privilege have been claimed on? >> i am
it is a daunting task to go to cia. i want every member of this committee to be defender of the men and women of the cia, and i see it as my obligation to represent them to you on their behalf, so when times get tough and when people are going to be criticizing the cia, i have all of you to say you knew about what the cia were doing, and you will defend them. >> thank you. senator burr? >> i will be brief because i notice you are on your fourth glass of water and i do not want to be...
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, hysterical over the waterboarding, but nothing about drones strikes, but now-- i believe that the cia is doing what they should do to eliminate these al-qaeda people and protect not only american civilians, but the armed forces so we don't have to send seals in, send these in and blow these guys up. >> bill, well, we've had people like stanley mcchrystal, former general mcchrystal, the problem using the drone strikes to the extent, 300 plus now, is that they actually cause an enormous amount of, you know, people are resentful overseas because of the collateral damage and obviously, there is collateral damage during war time and people know that. for obama, i'm going to get rid of gitmo, get rid of gitmo and outstretch our hand and you're going to unclench your fist and the world is a better place. mcchrystal says we've got to be careful, if that's one of obama's goals, new america, new approach, it's not bush, and especially when used against american citizens which we haven't talked about, this has all sorts of other repercussions in the middle east. >> bill: the consequences and the
, hysterical over the waterboarding, but nothing about drones strikes, but now-- i believe that the cia is doing what they should do to eliminate these al-qaeda people and protect not only american civilians, but the armed forces so we don't have to send seals in, send these in and blow these guys up. >> bill, well, we've had people like stanley mcchrystal, former general mcchrystal, the problem using the drone strikes to the extent, 300 plus now, is that they actually cause an enormous...
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state, cia, all of the other players. is that the way something like this would routinely be handled? >> we have to remember this wasn't the only thing that was going on. i mean, i was up for half the night i think. a lot of people who typ follow s type of news. our embassy in cairo was under attack. all over the middle east it was exploding, so you would think the president would have more curiosity about what was going on. i find it shocking, frankly. you could tell by the way they were answering the questions they were uncomfortable giving up the information. it doesn't make sense. what was the president doing? did he just go to bed? i think liberals keep saying this conspiracy theory. this is basic government accountability. we don't need to know where the president was? he's happy to give us information when it benefits him. we know everything about the bin laden raid, but we can't find out basic information and we still don't know what he was doing? >> if the shoe were on the other foot, if this were a republican ad
state, cia, all of the other players. is that the way something like this would routinely be handled? >> we have to remember this wasn't the only thing that was going on. i mean, i was up for half the night i think. a lot of people who typ follow s type of news. our embassy in cairo was under attack. all over the middle east it was exploding, so you would think the president would have more curiosity about what was going on. i find it shocking, frankly. you could tell by the way they were...
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martha: we'll hear from the cia, the man who is expected to be the head of the cia, downbrennan, there is so much focus on the drone issue. i want to get your thoughts on that. i know you are supportive of that program overall. do you think that because of the drone issue that john brennan will get a pass on what he knew because we haven't heard from him on that. >> isn't that a good question in the counter terrorism director of the united states has not said one word about the actions he took when he was notified. there is a joint task force by law that is supposed to meet when there is a terrorist attack. they weren't even called into session. i'll ask panetta why that is so. no one has asked john brennan anything about benghazi. he's in the chain of command to do something about it. it's dumbfounding the lack of scrutiny this administration has had regarding benghazi. martha: we know hillary clinton was basically up all night trying to get help in the area from the libyan government. we don't know where yawn brennan was, we don't know where the president was during those hours and w
martha: we'll hear from the cia, the man who is expected to be the head of the cia, downbrennan, there is so much focus on the drone issue. i want to get your thoughts on that. i know you are supportive of that program overall. do you think that because of the drone issue that john brennan will get a pass on what he knew because we haven't heard from him on that. >> isn't that a good question in the counter terrorism director of the united states has not said one word about the actions he...
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you've been there. >> i was director of the cia. >> exactly. >> so seems like it's always the cia's fault. >> i say this without demeaning our efforts at intelligence, but the fact is we -- there are areas in the middle east where we do not have the kind of intelligence we should have in order to give us a heads up about these kinds of attacks. that's a reality. we've got to do better at this. >> and you're discounting the number of things we do avoid with good intelligence. >> obviously for a lot of reasons we don't always hear about those. let me ask you about the israel strike, you've been to syria. did you know about that in advance. did anyone say bad idea, good idea? or was it just -- i know you were meeting with head of the israeli intelligence forces. were you all informed? >> i'm not going to discuss the details of what happened or didn't happen there. what i will say is this, that we are concerned about the danger of sophisticated weapons like sa 17s and cbw, chemical and biological weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. that is something we're concerned about. we do plan
you've been there. >> i was director of the cia. >> exactly. >> so seems like it's always the cia's fault. >> i say this without demeaning our efforts at intelligence, but the fact is we -- there are areas in the middle east where we do not have the kind of intelligence we should have in order to give us a heads up about these kinds of attacks. that's a reality. we've got to do better at this. >> and you're discounting the number of things we do avoid with good...
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state department and cia and defense the fact they came up first of all the fact that it's out in the open, i mean neither general damp tee nor secretary panetta was particularly eager to talk about it. but it was, it did give us a look into this administration, the argument at the white house among the national security people was that it would strengthen groups they felt. the arms would, inside the syria who were radical, islamists that were possibly be sunni allies, other radicals elsewhere. the failure to do it, and the skeptics add that the president was running for re-election on the thesis that he was disentangling us from iraq, afghanistan, and further conflicts in that area. and that this would dilute that argument. and the irony is, of course, that the group that has taken the lead now against president assad is, in fact, the sunni -- >> significance of the president overruled all these folks, what does that tell us? >> well, when we were talking about hillary clinton's legacy we were saying you know foreign policy, here is another bit of evidence that it is run from the whi
state department and cia and defense the fact they came up first of all the fact that it's out in the open, i mean neither general damp tee nor secretary panetta was particularly eager to talk about it. but it was, it did give us a look into this administration, the argument at the white house among the national security people was that it would strengthen groups they felt. the arms would, inside the syria who were radical, islamists that were possibly be sunni allies, other radicals elsewhere....
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develops right now, nominee for cia director john brennan going on the hot seat in a matter of hours as the white house makes an about face on its controversial drone program and the targeting of americans overseas. the obama administration now breaking years of secrecy and handing over a confidential 16-page memo that justifies the targeting killing of u.s. citizens abroad suspected of being terrorists. this decision to release the document came hours before brennan was to face a serious grilling by lawmakers outraged over the program. the biggest critic, democratic senator ron wyden who says the president has been stonewalling congress for years and suggested blocking brennan's nomination. president obama called wyden specifically last night. >> clearly, the president's call to senator wyden so unusual and trying to ward off what could be a calamitous hearing today. >> what standard will barack obama be held to after the pictures of the little children who were killed by his cone drone attacks are placed before the jury in the hague? >> i was encouraged last night when the presiden
develops right now, nominee for cia director john brennan going on the hot seat in a matter of hours as the white house makes an about face on its controversial drone program and the targeting of americans overseas. the obama administration now breaking years of secrecy and handing over a confidential 16-page memo that justifies the targeting killing of u.s. citizens abroad suspected of being terrorists. this decision to release the document came hours before brennan was to face a serious...
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general hayden, former director of the cia was talking about incoming secretary of state john kerry, incoming if he is confirmed secretary of defense chuck hagel and here is what he had to say about the new team. >> i think the new team thinks more like the president thinks when it comes to foreign policy. this is going to be a team that might not push back as much with regard to cuts or withdrawals or smaller footprints or reluctance to have bigfoot prints in new areas. >> i want you to tell me what your reaction is to that. do you see a new team coming in with a different attitude toward the president's policies? >> no, i really don't. after all, the president is the person who makes policy with regards to foreign affairs and defense policy. >> this is about pushback. the suggestion is you all do push back and this team might not. >> i've got to tell you, anybody who knows john kerry and anybody who knows chuck hagel, i've been with him in meetings and conferences, and i've been with him on issue debates, they push back. believe me, they push back on the issues. i think in the situ
general hayden, former director of the cia was talking about incoming secretary of state john kerry, incoming if he is confirmed secretary of defense chuck hagel and here is what he had to say about the new team. >> i think the new team thinks more like the president thinks when it comes to foreign policy. this is going to be a team that might not push back as much with regard to cuts or withdrawals or smaller footprints or reluctance to have bigfoot prints in new areas. >> i want...
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directly ahead, laura ingraham on the big benghazi and cia hearings today. later, watters world goes where few men have ever gone or something. watters wanted more exposure. we gave it to him. upcoming. to grow, we have to boost our social media visibility. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? since we make radiator valves wouldn't it be better if we just let fedex help us to expand to new markets? hmm gotta admit that's better than a few "likes." i don't have the door code. who's that? he won a contest online to be ceo for the day. how am i supposed to run a business here without an office?! [ male announcer ] fast, reliable deliveries worldwide. fedex. a talking car. but i'll tell you what impresses me. a talking train. this ge locomotive can tell you exactly where it is, what it's carrying, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needs, when it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point of talking if you don't have something important to
directly ahead, laura ingraham on the big benghazi and cia hearings today. later, watters world goes where few men have ever gone or something. watters wanted more exposure. we gave it to him. upcoming. to grow, we have to boost our social media visibility. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? since we make radiator valves wouldn't it be better if we just let fedex help us to...
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and did an outstanding job at the cia and pentagon. especially today as we talk about the need to coordinate the efforts across various democrats, i think your experience will be a very much -- miss. you lead the men and women with tremendous competition, passion, and conviction. i thank you very much. of course, i'm very envy use of the fact you get to go to a beautiful place the monterrey peninsula. the place i visited often. for the americans who lost their lives in benghazi, ambassador chris stephens, sean smith, tie roan woods and glen doorty. they were heros and represented our country proudly while understand there are risks involved in diplomatic work. i want to ensure as to all of us that we do everything question to -- everything we can to ensure the safety of our people who take on the assignments and often dangerous circumstances. the state department's accountability review board described a gap in intelligence coverage for the area and it is one of the their findings. no. 4. mr. secretary, drawing from your experience at
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leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the contours of this, and if we want to win hearts and minds to go back to a vietnam plauz, what are thrase, the contours of this? will it expand and come back to hit us in a strong way? >> as someone who knows the pro and con intell and we send people into the area to make people suspicious of each other, and killed people in a domestic sphere, aed on the know the ugliness and the nastiness of that and the ways in which have sat over and against any american notice that we are not the kind of country that does that, but to get on the other side of co-intel to say i need that to be reflected in the 21st history. >> and to that, brennan was the architect of the waterboarding program or in the testimony he said he was aware of at least 50 memos that it
leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the contours of this, and if we want to win hearts and minds to go back to a vietnam plauz, what are thrase, the contours of this? will it expand and come back to hit us in...
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the cia nominee will have to appear before the senate intelligence committee in a few hours. as lawmakers on the panel are received classified information about how the obama administration is justifying drone strikes own american terrorists overseas. brennan helped manage the drone program. he is likely going to be challenged on it today. lawmakers also expected to ask him about waterboarding and for what he knew about some high-profile national security leaks. a lot of big topics. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live from capitol hill with more. within those hallways, mike, what are you hearing about? what will really be the focus of this hearing? >> reporter: jenna, i think you hit on a lot of the key topics. senator i don't know mccain is among those very interested in brennan's position on those enhanced interrogation techniques during the bush administration. brennan came out and said he was opposed to waterboarding. mccain wants to know if there is any evidence that brennan was opposed to waterboarding. brennan said he favored some aspects of the enha
the cia nominee will have to appear before the senate intelligence committee in a few hours. as lawmakers on the panel are received classified information about how the obama administration is justifying drone strikes own american terrorists overseas. brennan helped manage the drone program. he is likely going to be challenged on it today. lawmakers also expected to ask him about waterboarding and for what he knew about some high-profile national security leaks. a lot of big topics. chief...
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we've got james gandolfini playing you as cia director. i waon't ask you to comment on the acting, but the movie seems to indicate that enhanced interrogation techniques were used to get information on bin laden. is that true? >> well, first of all, it's a movie. let's remember that. i lived the real story. and the real story is that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together, that led us to bin laden, there was a lot of intelligence. there were a lot of pieces out there that were part of that puzzle. yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used. but the fact is, we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that. >> and you think you could have gotten it without any -- >> i think we could have gotten bin laden without that. >> it's a big weekend. there's a big contest a lot of people are talking about. >> go 49ers. >> it's the contest that has to do with clinton or biden. 2016. >> oh. >> you've been close to both of them. secretary panetta,
we've got james gandolfini playing you as cia director. i waon't ask you to comment on the acting, but the movie seems to indicate that enhanced interrogation techniques were used to get information on bin laden. is that true? >> well, first of all, it's a movie. let's remember that. i lived the real story. and the real story is that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together, that led us to bin laden, there was a lot of intelligence. there were a lot of pieces out there that...